Joo ([info]nahmster) wrote,
@ 2004-08-11 23:20:00
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Current mood: pensive
Current music:Linkin Park; Breaking the Habit

And this is how it ends...


I have once again been fucked over by being too kind.

My trusting and caring nature has led me into a big fucking scandal of drama, deceit, and lies. This is high-school stuff. I may be going into high school, but many, if not all of you will agree that my maturity is extended far past that. I am sick and tired of this bullshit.

Because I care about people, and want to change them for the better, I end up getting dragged into these things. I learned an important lesson from social studies last year, and I never really realised how helpful it could be in real life nowadays.

Real people want more of anything, and will stop at nothing to get it. More power, money, friends, whatever. It's an addiction. It never occured to me that this lust for more and more of something could apply to sympathy or sometimes even empathy.

Even so, I want to know how I keep getting douped by these people. They do the same things. "My life is so hard, my parent(s) are mean to me, no one loves me, and on top of all that, I cut myself!" With every person, the story is slightly different. Problems with saying 'I love you' -- either too much, or not enough. This time, it was insanity. Insecurity. Fear.

All these things make people do stupid shit. Making up stories to get attention that is not only desired for, but needed. What makes people need it? My guess is that they never got enough to begin with. Mostly, I say they just like being the center of attention and want everyone to pity them. Give them things, money, friendship.

Kamikaze friendships. That's what these are. Reckless, dangerous friendships. I need to quit finding the people who can't seem to stop taking advantage of me.

I mean, seriously folks... This happens all the time. And I never learn. I guess there's a big part of me that doesn't want to see the bad in people. Even when I'm being told that these people are bad news, or I should get myself out of the friendship before I get hurt, and I STILL don't believe them. I just don't want to.

Now, a lot of you are probably wondering what the fuck I'm talking about. And that's probably for a good reason, since this was a huge bit of drama between a few people. However, if I saw a random vague post like this, I'd be curious as fuck as to what it's about.

God. Where do I start? Alright, from the beginning. I met someone in a Linkin Park community, over tattoos, I think. We had a mini comment war in this community and friended each other and all that. She starts telling me about herself over AIM because it's faster and more convenient than over LJ comments.

This is where it gets weird. She lets on and sometimes elaborates about a lot of problems she has. For instance, her father died and her mom is a "bitch"; always whining at her about something. In actuality, her mom doesn't sound as bad as she makes her out to be. Why would you get mad if your mom asked you to take your gramma to the Doctor if it interrupted a PR show? Not like you were going for anyone except the last two acts anyway.

Her excuse was that her mom wanted her to do it because she (mom) wanted to get her nails done or something; it doesn't matter. Basically, it was something nice for herself. How is that different from going to a concert?

Either way, I ignored it because I must have this holy quest or something that drives me to do these things. I have to change them into better, well rounded people or something. Wait folks, it gets better. She has another quirk.

Her story is that she was able to stop cutting because of Linkin Park. Well, that's fine, because I'm sure a lot of people feel that way. Ok. Whatever. But my "wtf?" alarms should've been going off when she said to me that basically, she thinks LP stalks her. Everywhere she goes, everything she sees, something is there to remind her of them. She turns on the radio, they're on. TV? There they are. And SHUFFLE on her winamp playlist almost always results in LP or Grey Daze. Why, that OBVIOUSLY means that they're stalking her. I mean, coincidences don't exist, right?

Anyway, she got their names tattooed in Kanji on her arms. That's fine too, because a lot of people get band related tattoos all the time. No biggy. Her only reliance on not cutting herself is Linkin Park randomly coming on the radio, or something. What lifesavers!

But don't get me wrong, because I know that LP's music is very inspiring and all that. Really. I'm a fan, you know. Here's where it gets good. Carey and Jen, 2 of her real-life friends plot this elaborate scheme to hack into her computer or some shit and make her life/relationships with friends a living hell. And I'm sure Carey DID do a few things. But if this was just a prank, I don't think it would've lasted 2+ days.

It's not even what they said or did that made me so upset about this. It's the fact that she just stood by and watched as her internet life fell down around her. Instead of trying to get Carey and Jen to stop what they were doing, she scrambled around trying to rebuild or do minor repairs on friendships that might be damaged as a result of this. But the problem with that is that it got worse, because she got caught in a few lies or at least a few deceitful twists of words. Or something. The point is, she was not doing everything she should have to fix this problem, and therefore let Jen and Carey and even her lies drag us, her friends that she values oh so much, into this.

That, my friends, is why this is the end of that friendship. I don't think that anything could redeem the behaviors that I have witnessed over the past 72 hours. And so, we can only hope that I've finally learned my lesson and will stop reaching out to people who I think might actually need it, but in reality are attention seekers desperate for some sympathy when none is due. Also, I must listen to the friends I have that are better at reading people than I am, as they usually turn out to be right. Then again, I wouldn't want to deprive them of their "I told you so" rights, would I?

It's all about the subliminal messages. First letter of every paragraph, people...read it.



[edit @ 11:22 pm; original post @ 7:55 pm]: Well, now I'm 100% certain that Jen and Carey are both innocent, except for the post that Carey made in her own journal. The lengths that people will go to for attention...::sigh::




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[info]jentopia
2004-08-11 05:14 pm UTC (link)
Good girl. We all learned a lesson in regards to this, for lack of a worse word, cunt.

I love ya, girlie. Lots of people do. You really are like my little e-child. I so see me in you right now when I was your age. It's almost scary.

Invest your time in those who are in the now. Get to know someone before you lend an ear or extend a hug. God knows after this fiasco I definitely will.

Oh, quit stalking me. Everytime I come online you are there. WTF? *tattoos your name on my hand so that everytime I attempt to sign off I won't knowing that you are signed on*

peace out, homey <3

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[info]jentopia
2004-08-11 05:16 pm UTC (link)
I so see me in you right now

PERVERSE? o_O

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(no subject) - [info]nahmster, 2004-08-11 05:16 pm UTC

[info]nahmster
2004-08-11 05:16 pm UTC (link)
I guess that might be 'cause we're the coolest chicks around B)

No kidding. Thank god this is over.

Well, that might be because my ass has grafted with my computer chair. Oops.

<333

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(no subject) - [info]jentopia, 2004-08-11 05:17 pm UTC

[info]by_myslf_
2004-08-11 05:17 pm UTC (link)
Aw, love ...

I know you got caught up in something that you probably shouldn't've gotten caught up in. Things probably didn't need to go the way they ended up going.

I send you loads of love from me and loads of kisses from the man ... er, rabbit ... himself.

Hope things look up for you dear. Keep looking out for yourself, make sure YOU'RE the happy one with your life.

*hugs*

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[info]nahmster
2004-08-11 05:19 pm UTC (link)
I thought you went to go watch CSI? lol

I'll take some from the man himself too, if you don't mind. lol

They're looking up just fine 8D ::cling::

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(no subject) - [info]by_myslf_, 2004-08-11 08:09 pm UTC

[info]sarahrenee
2004-08-11 05:19 pm UTC (link)
This girl sounds fucked up.
I'm glad you've seperated yourself from the situation.
And I <3 the subliminal message.

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[info]nahmster
2004-08-11 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. I didn't want to see it. :\
Me too. What a doozy.
:D I think the irony of it is what makes it so great.

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[info]malatise
2004-08-11 05:20 pm UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/community/newnonuglies/844310.html

Check THAT out. And then check out: http://www.dooo.us

She's full of drama-rama. I saw her in NNU, and then imagine my surprise when I skimmed through her journal and saw your name! :o!

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[info]nahmster
2004-08-11 05:21 pm UTC (link)
Saw it already. Kinda embarrassing, isn't it? :x I hope the SomethingAwful goons don't come out and eat me or anything, since I love that site.

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[info]mine_grainne
2004-08-11 05:55 pm UTC (link)
My english isn't so good to read this post, cuz it's too big and something I don't understand so good...But I can see, that we have a same problem:
*don't see the bad in people...
I don't like to write very much in comments but in this, I've to write...
I've much problem whit these...sometimes I think that I'm stupid or something else...Is easy to me don't see problems in people...I hurt myself very easy whit people...cuz I really like to help them...and I learn ,some years ago,that have people that just want some ''empty friendship'' to rescue theirselfs...only for personal interesting...and after this, they don't want to know if u are needing some help, some care, some friendship...They are false... and don't care whit u...
I know what u feel, cuz I feel this too...and is very bad cuz have some moments that you go to far... I know what is this...cuz I really meet some people that say that was my friends, just when they are in need of some care and some friendship...but in some moment...they ''forgot'' this... I hurt myself sometime whit this people...and I don't like to remember this, cuz this cause pain and fury...
But we have to learn that the world is full of false people...that just want to hurt u, to taking advantage on others...Curse that have much people that isn't like that...but we have take care and see the people how they really are....
I don't trust very much in internet people cuz these...I have much fear about it...Who don't have?!Nowadays u can trust in much people...and very much people u can't change for better...they have to do this, for theirselfs...
I think that I speak too much for one comment and my mom want me in bed now...

kisses...

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[info]naughty_tangled
2004-08-11 06:13 pm UTC (link)
Nice guys finish last. As cliche as that sounds, it's true. I've given up on the friendship. We know it was her that posted my entry in Buffy's journal. That was the beginning of the end for me... I hate it when things I am trying to fix blow up in my face...

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[info]nahmster
2004-08-11 06:17 pm UTC (link)
Me as well. She IMed me, and I have to admit that I ignored it.

I'm sorry that shitfest happened. I don't know what was discussed, but I am not blind and can tell that it was really big. /captain obvious

Tell me about it. This isn't the first time for me...

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(no subject) - [info]naughty_tangled, 2004-08-11 06:21 pm UTC
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[info]kenkon_yume
2004-08-11 06:31 pm UTC (link)
I'm probably the newest person on your friends list and we met through a comment war on the person's journal, so you can take this as you like it and I might get a bit long-winded.

Usually when I get on someone's friends list, I read through a bit of back entries. I was surprised to find out that you were in high school and so young, since you are so mature for your age. I can totally agree with what you are saying. I suppose I was lucky with the whole situation. I got a bit of the drama and just stepped back. I don't have the patience for it or the desire to be involved in some sort of bizarre soap opera. I thought it was a prank myself until it continued on into the second day. After that, I got confused and just left the whole thing alone. I almost wanted to ask you if you had any idea what was going on but I definitely didn't want to escalate any drama, so I actually managed to keep control of my curiosity.

Anyway, I'd wanted to keep the door open for her because I do like to believe the best in people despite my cynical attitude towards humanity and I try to help people when I can. I just can't do it anymore either. I know that most of her other friends were quite a bit deeper than I was and I feel bad that they had to deal with that. I hope that... I don't know. The stress goes away after all of this.

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[info]nahmster
2004-08-11 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Ironic, isn't it? :P

Well, thanks. XD; Like I said...it's the fact that she kept contradicting herself and not "standing up for herself", though there was probably little or no hacking at all.

I was told over and over again by one friend that there was something off about her, and that she needed help of some kind or somesuch. I didn't want to believe him, even though I know he's usually right about judging character. But I was not the only one douped, so I don't feel as bad. It was a lot of unnecessary stress, but now that I've weeded her out of my life, it can only go away.

Unless she turns into some psycho stalker person. Then I'm screwed. haha...let's hope that doesn't happen.

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[info]lunatone
2004-08-11 06:49 pm UTC (link)
*reads http://www.livejournal.com/users/harukakaze/382812.html*

That is way FUCKED UP. O__o;;

*hugs*

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[info]nahmster
2004-08-11 06:54 pm UTC (link)
To say the least ;P

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[info]frankthebunny7
2004-08-11 07:32 pm UTC (link)
That... is just beyond fucked up.

To be honest, I've been on both sides of that whole thing. I mean, I've been the friend who is there for someone who 'needs help' but then doesn't really and just craves attention, but I've also been one of those, "PITY ME PLEASE, I'm going to make up a bunch of shit so you do" cunts. Neither side is fun, really, but I never really thought I'd see someone go so far as to have people "hack" their accounts and "mess with their friendships". I mean, there's a subtle difference between craving attention and doing something that stupid, you know?

I'm probably going to talk myself in circles and/or out of my ass if I keep going, so uhm. Glad you're out such a situation. <3

The subliminal message was the best ever, by the way.

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[info]nahmster
2004-08-11 07:34 pm UTC (link)
I'll say.

Yeah, sometimes I'll do the "omg i need attention" thing, but not ALL THE TIME over stupid shit.

I strive to get the point across ;P

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[info]firepixi3
2004-08-11 09:35 pm UTC (link)
O.o

Yikes.

But you do gotta realize something, hon... you cant "fix" or "save" or "help" everybody. Some people just dont want to be helped, and becoming friends with someone with the idea you can "change" them... isn't the best idea. It usually results in pain.

Now. I guess I shouldnt be talking, because I do the same thing sometimes. And personally? I think you're a fantastic person. But... sometimes, people dont want help, and you'd be right to say they just want attention.

You get involved *because* you're a nice person, and you want to help them make things better. But as they say, "you win some, you loose some."

Dont let it damage that central part of who you are. Your kind nature is one of the best things about you... dont let a few bad apples destroy that.

Just try to remember that you cant help everybody, no matter how much you wish you could, or how much you want, and even no matter how much you care.

You can never care to much... but you *can* care to hard.

*hugs*

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[info]nahmster
2004-08-12 12:21 am UTC (link)
I don't become friends just to change people. And it's not like I do it with a schedule. I gradually do it, tell them things that are offensive and stuff. I'm their friend, but I'm blunt and tell them things that not everyone would tell them.

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(no subject) - [info]firepixi3, 2004-08-12 06:23 am UTC

[info]xchopstick_lp
2004-08-12 12:58 am UTC (link)
Hey. Look on the bright side. Firstly, at least you learned some sort of a lesson. Secondly, maybe she's had a reality check?

I mean, I've known people and been a person who lives in some sort of reality that's just sort of.. twisted? skewed? where everything to them is totally different. I myself was being a shithead; people genearlly need a little bit of perspective to realize that they actually can be wrong. haha.

Just saying, maybe now she won't be such an idiot?

And be glad you don't have to deal with her anymore. =]

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[info]xchopstick_lp
2004-08-12 12:59 am UTC (link)
*yargggg I meant generally. o_o

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[info]jentopia
2004-08-12 06:49 am UTC (link)
OMFG WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE!?!?!11

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[info]kenkon_yume
2004-08-12 08:00 am UTC (link)
I second this. I'm not too fond of being confused and it would be great to have it all a bit more straightened out.

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[info]shouting_out
2004-08-13 10:35 am UTC (link)
Wow, I'm late.

I told her personal shit. We live in the same fucking city. Tell your friend Evan I'm sorry for commenting to him regarding Alisha's defense.

I'm so sick of e-drama. *makes an lj post*

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[info]lady_xanax
2004-08-15 01:44 pm UTC (link)
Hey, Julia... I'm sorry everything happened, too. I feel like we're in a very similar boat here.

I told Evan about the 'printer incident' and I'm assuming from the IM transcripts you read it. That happened a month ago tomorrow, I believe.

Alisha and I talked about a week before she quit her job. I was worried, specifically, about the LP stalking thing, but suggested that a career change might be in order, to reduce stress. I didn't mean for her to quit her job, but that's what she did. And hasn't worked since. Instead of being alarmed at this, I put guilt on myself because 'I was the one who told her to quit.' In this very same conversation I asked her to talk to someone, and gave her the name of an organization I used to go to for my panic disorder. She confided in me her deep-seated fear of being institutionalized. I assured her she wouldn't be locked up. I even walked her through the entire process that you go through at this organization. You get your intake, then an appointment, then probably medication. It's harmless. She told me she'd give it serious consideration.

I talked to her on July 19th, again. This was very shortly after Carey and Guy unfriended her. Carey and naughty_tangled getting into the flame war in Alisha's LJ (which I had to employ a LOT of self control to stay out of, because the last thing Alisha needed was her crazy beliefs defended by anybody), and the things being said by Carey to me (IN CONCERN FOR ALISHA) and by Guy to me (Also in concern) made ME wake up a bit. You start to get used to the things she does, you know? Of course, you do. It became the norm to read about Alisha's incidents. LP on her winamp. The bruises threw me a little bit, but it was all mushed together. I woke up when Carey and Guy started bugging out about how fucked up the whole situation was. So I talked to Alisha again. Here's how that chat went down:

con't.

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[info]lady_xanax
2004-08-15 01:46 pm UTC (link)
Start of BAGATELLEE buffer: Mon Jul 19 02:23:46 2004
BAGATELLEE: ::checks out this bert_the_turtle person::
One 216 Evil: He's dorky. And i LUFF THOSE
BAGATELLEE: lol
BAGATELLEE: he canoes
BAGATELLEE: and he was in Pitt. ugh, i wanna go to pitt.
One 216 Evil: Never been there.
BAGATELLEE: i miss it.
BAGATELLEE: i dont think id ever want to dwell there again
BAGATELLEE: but visit? oh yes
One 216 Evil: So plan a trip.
BAGATELLEE: with what? my negative $152?
One 216 Evil: PLAN
One 216 Evil: Not TAKE.
BAGATELLEE: pfft. i can't afford the paper to write on. lol
BAGATELLEE: oh.. i love you.
One 216 Evil: I think we need to have a talk or something.
BAGATELLEE: oh?
BAGATELLEE: what did i do?
One 216 Evil: We kinda touched on how I felt what, a month or two ago?
BAGATELLEE: yeah?
One 216 Evil: did you look into pathways or neighboring?
BAGATELLEE: no...
One 216 Evil: I"m worried about shit.
BAGATELLEE: ::odd look::
BAGATELLEE: like what?
One 216 Evil: I think the LP stuff is going too far.
BAGATELLEE: mmk.
One 216 Evil: I don't know what it's replacing, but it's there for a reason.
BAGATELLEE: mmhmmm
One 216 Evil: I've wanted to bring this up lately... but it's hard. I don't know what to do but I do know if I sit back and let you get into a shitty place I'm no friend.
BAGATELLEE: understandable.
One 216 Evil: And the Carey drama kind of opened my eyes to it tonight.
BAGATELLEE: ok.
One 216 Evil: And just what I said. I think it's gone too far, and it scares me.
BAGATELLEE: ::nod:: ok.
One 216 Evil: Does this all feel right to you?
BAGATELLEE: i dont kbnow what i am feeling right now
One 216 Evil: Has any of this felt right in the past?
BAGATELLEE: any of what?
One 216 Evil: The LP stalking incidents.
BAGATELLEE: define right...
One 216 Evil: Logical. Probable. Realistic.
BAGATELLEE: no
One 216 Evil: Does that bother ya?
BAGATELLEE: yes
One 216 Evil: So why placate it further?
BAGATELLEE: ?
One 216 Evil: Why continue to play into it?
BAGATELLEE: ?
One 216 Evil: The incidents.
BAGATELLEE: i know
One 216 Evil: Something is wrong. Linkin Park can't stalk someone through winamp.
BAGATELLEE: ok
One 216 Evil: I want to help figure out what's going on and what we can do about it.
BAGATELLEE: i appreciate that
One 216 Evil: I don't know how to do that, unfortunately. Ultimately it's going to be up to you to call some place. Whether it be to talk to someone or whatever.
BAGATELLEE: mmhmmm
One 216 Evil: But something has gotta be done.
BAGATELLEE: yeah
One 216 Evil: The further along it goes, the harder it becomes to get back to where you want to be. Take me for example.
BAGATELLEE: yes
One 216 Evil: Talk to me.
BAGATELLEE: i dont know what to say.
BAGATELLEE: what am i suppsoed to say?
One 216 Evil: I don't know.
One 216 Evil: What does the most recent post mean?
BAGATELLEE: that im an idiot.
One 216 Evil: Please don't take the victim stance. I realize this was probably a shitty time to bring it up, but really, when isn't something shitty going on anymore with anybody?
BAGATELLEE: true.
BAGATELLEE: its not a victim stance. just a fact
One 216 Evil: Well, how about we forego the negativity for both our sakes?
BAGATELLEE: very well. but i am not sure how much positive i have right now.
One 216 Evil: Don't worry about being positive. Just don't be negative.
One 216 Evil: Neutral is always good.
BAGATELLEE: fine
One 216 Evil: I dont' want you to feel like I"m trying to come down on ya.
One 216 Evil: But over the last few months you've changed a lot. And I feel pretty responsible for you quitting your job.
BAGATELLEE: youre just scared or worried or whatever
BAGATELLEE: why?
One 216 Evil: I feel I failed you when we had that discussion.
One 216 Evil: And I am worried.
BAGATELLEE: ::sigh::
BAGATELLEE: im at a loss here.
One 216 Evil: Me too.

con't.

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[info]lady_xanax
2004-08-15 01:47 pm UTC (link)
BAGATELLEE: ::swallows::
One 216 Evil: Something has to give though.
BAGATELLEE: yeah.
One 216 Evil: Being a best friend has so many benefits. I use and enjoy those benefits quite a bit. When it came time to step up... I think I'm the best person for it.
One 216 Evil: I said it once and I'll say it again: I'll help you in whatever way I can (including loaning out the Abe to go places I can't go)
BAGATELLEE: thats fine.
BAGATELLEE: thanks
One 216 Evil: But I need to know that you're going to do something. Take a step by and try to see things from my point of view.
One 216 Evil: back*
BAGATELLEE: ::slow nod:: i think i am too exhausted for that right this second
BAGATELLEE: but when i'm laying in bed staring at the ceiling later, i'll try.
One 216 Evil: Will you call pathways tomorrow?
BAGATELLEE: i cant promise that
One 216 Evil: AT LEAST get some information and hear them out.
BAGATELLEE: what kind of information?
One 216 Evil: Info on getting an orientation (or whatever the hell they're called) and seeing a doc.
BAGATELLEE: ::cringe::
One 216 Evil: What's getting in the way?
BAGATELLEE: ::sigh:: gimme the number again
BAGATELLEE: my hatred of medical professionals.
One 216 Evil: 918 1000
BAGATELLEE: thanks
One 216 Evil: welcome
BAGATELLEE: hang on. cant find a pen
One 216 Evil: ok
BAGATELLEE: k.. got one
One 216 Evil: Intake... I think that's the word. They'll probably just want to schedule you for that (you meet with some social worker and they take down your info and get ya an appointment)
BAGATELLEE: ugh
One 216 Evil: Be glad you can go.
BAGATELLEE: id rather not.
One 216 Evil: brb
BAGATELLEE: k
One 216 Evil: ok sorry, back
BAGATELLEE: wb
One 216 Evil: thanks
BAGATELLEE: sure
One 216 Evil: Still have nothing to say?
BAGATELLEE: yeah.
BAGATELLEE: i cant think
One 216 Evil: Well, I guess I"ve said basically what's on my mind.
BAGATELLEE: k.. you sure?
One 216 Evil: I think this issue should be discussed further in person and when all parties are willing to let their true feelings show.
One 216 Evil: Working with text and resistance is difficult.
BAGATELLEE: yeah...
BAGATELLEE: i can imagine
One 216 Evil: So we'll end it on that.
BAGATELLEE: ok..
End of BAGATELLEE buffer: Mon Jul 19 02:23:46 2004

con't.

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The Last of it.
[info]lady_xanax
2004-08-15 01:52 pm UTC (link)
The next night Abe stayed on the phone with Alisha for over an hour. He's an ex-cutter and she gave him the 'yes' answers she knew he'd want to hear. I'm stupid. I believed her yes's. He did not, and he told me so. Truth be told, we almost had the Willowick police go to her apartment and remove her, putting her in Laurelwood. Guy saved her ass there, told us to phone her instead. Maybe she should have gone away. The shit has really hit the fan lately.

As of July 22, we were no longer friends, LiveJournal or otherwise. Why? Because she said absolutely horrible things about me. She said horrible things about Abe (my husband), Carey, and Guy. All personal, real life friends of mine. She didn't have the balls to say things to my face. She patronized me like I was an invalid. She thought I was jealous of her. Yeah, let me tell you. I have 2 men in my life right now who'll die for me, a caring family, and great friends that are real. I know it's no band stalking me, but I think I'll get by, somehow.

To be honest, I didn't even read her journal. I didn't care. She said what she said and she didn't deserve my friendship anymore. I don't even remember how I heard about the drama. I don't think I just randomly loaded her LJ and saw it all there. I did read the letter she wrote to [info]jentopia which had me BURNING UP for quite a while. I don't blame jentopia for anything she said, as Alisha apparently does. I guess Alisha was killing 2 birds with one stone by posting that. Although I was already mad at her.

On August 10th, Alisha called me from her land line. I didn't pick up the phone. I had Abe do it. She wanted to speak to me. I'll paste from my journal entry:

"I recognize the name. He answers it. Yes, I got a call from Alisha. She wanted my help with computer stuff. She was crying. I didn't take the call. Abe had the phone in my face and I said she was on her own. The things she said about us.. and she wants my help with computer stuff? She's fucking looney. She was crying because she has no friends left. Only I see through it all now. I'm not stupid anymore. She was crying because she
wanted me to feel bad - so I'd help her. That's all. She wanted me to tell Carey to stop.

Stop what... You're the one making crazy confessions in your LiveJournal and threatening to kill yourself in IM's with Carey. Alisha has ALL her fucking screws loose."


The last time I talked to Alisha was on Trillian on August 11th, where I basically told her to not drag my name into shit I wasn't responsible for, and that I didn't believe a word she said. I asked her why she said the things about her real life friends that she did and she evaded the question.

Maybe there was a catalyst, although she seemed to be spiraling down at a pretty quick pace recently anyway, but I had no idea she'd pull off such a gross self-destruct. I'd say 'I don't understand', but I do. Alisha is chock full of mental problems. Cutting isn't one of them, as far as I'm concerned. That's for attention. I feel bad for not feeling worse about the situation. A mutual friend is keeping contact with her, and if she feels Alisha needs to be put away, I have no problem using force to get her to where she needs to be. It won't be pleasant for Alisha, but it will be for her own good.

I guess I've run out of things to say. I see you're hurt and I feel bad about that. I was hurt 3 weeks ago. VERY hurt. Alisha is too busy being the victim to realize she's the one striking the blows.

I won't make Alisha out to be some sort of trust-eating monster whose actions were pre-meditated and intentional, but she went around and fucked a lot of things up just the same. Please keep in mind that Alisha isn't right in the head. You WERE a friend to her and you were there for her, and that makes you a good person. Don't spare someone else your trust just because of a random Internet whack job. Like you, trust is something that isn't given out easily by me, either. The few times I talked to you I found you to a very pleasant, intelligent, funny person. Don't change, and don't let yourself lose something because of what Alisha did. She doesn't deserve that satisfaction.

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Re: The Last of it.
[info]nahmster
2004-08-15 04:16 pm UTC (link)
Hi Jen.

Thank you for taking the time to type all this up and explain to me exactly what was going on. It's good to see what happened from a neutral point of view instead of the 'help, i'm victimized' view I always got. When the box cutter/printer thing happened, Alisha had said that you, Abe, and Guy had just been making fun of LP, so I was pretty much getting fed lies all the time. When I was talking to you those coupla times and when you were talking to Evan (he sent me the chatlog, heh) you always seemed friendly and funny and sane. I have to apologize for letting myself change my views on you for a little while because of Alisha always making you out to be the bad guy. I'm sorry.

I can only hope that this isn't going to affect my trust with other people, because now that I've let myself see all her problems, I look back and think how stupid I was for believing her lies all the time.

I also hope that the next time we talk, it's over more pleasant circumstances. And that she gets the help she really needs. Thank you, again.

-Joo

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Re: The Last of it. - [info]lady_xanax, 2004-08-17 01:52 am UTC
Re: The Last of it. - [info]nahmster, 2004-08-17 12:35 pm UTC
Re: The Last of it. - [info]lady_xanax, 2004-08-17 08:44 pm UTC
Re: The Last of it. - [info]nahmster, 2004-08-19 04:07 pm UTC
Re: The Last of it. - [info]lady_xanax, 2004-08-19 05:54 pm UTC
Re: The Last of it. - [info]nahmster, 2004-08-19 05:57 pm UTC
Re: The Last of it. - [info]lady_xanax, 2004-08-19 09:06 pm UTC
Re: The Last of it. - [info]nahmster, 2004-08-19 09:07 pm UTC

[info]limbik
2004-08-17 01:37 pm UTC (link)
To think I used to like her. And then, to think all of her online friends would jump up and defend her, but she wouldn't credit anything a real life friend did for her.

And what post did I make?. The one about Peter Steele stalking me?.

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[info]nahmster
2004-08-17 01:39 pm UTC (link)
I feel you there.

Haha, no, the one that was insulting her, or something. I saw it, but you made it Friends Only or deleted it or something before I had a chance to read it/comment on it. I think I'm glad that happened, instead of me reading it and defend someone who isn't worth my time.

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(no subject) - [info]limbik, 2004-08-17 01:52 pm UTC
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